Comments on: Time To Come Up With Better Excuses To Bash Folks (Turns Out The Code Geass Script Is In Fact Done) http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/time-to-come-up-with-better-excuses-to-bash-folks-turns-out-the-code-geass-script-is-in-fact-done/ Talks and Discussions about Anime Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:32:43 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Nidhogg http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/time-to-come-up-with-better-excuses-to-bash-folks-turns-out-the-code-geass-script-is-in-fact-done/#comment-4803 Nidhogg Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:48:36 +0000 http://animehistory.wordpress.com/?p=4146#comment-4803 The problem is director Taniguchi had to change the script Okouchi wrote. In conclusion, the writer writes a story but it's up to the Director to tell the story. The problem is director Taniguchi had to change the script Okouchi wrote.
In conclusion, the writer writes a story but it’s up to the Director to tell the story.

]]> By: Kurogane http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/time-to-come-up-with-better-excuses-to-bash-folks-turns-out-the-code-geass-script-is-in-fact-done/#comment-4443 Kurogane Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:02:50 +0000 http://animehistory.wordpress.com/?p=4146#comment-4443 Interesting. I may never exactly share Ōkouchi's sentiments as this show is literally (and literary) his baby, but I do feel a little tear in my eye upon the thought of seeing Code Geass end. It's been fun. And this is what anime is supposed to be: FUN. I think people sometimes forget that. I mean, it's like last time, when I was watching Heroes and my dad was like, "What is this nonsense? People flying? Girls breaking their necks and twisting it back? Is this supposed to be real?" and I am like, "No dad, it's just television. JUST TELEVISION." What happened to those days when anime was pure escapism? I mean, I too succumb to certain histrionic fan-boy moments (you are dead if you make me miss an episode of Heroes), but that sort of hysteria can go both ways: a good example is groundless anime bashing. I agree with Anonymous in that Code Geass has a lot of plot twists, but as someone said before, they aren't for everyone. I am all for plot twists but I also like linear, a bit more predictable stories. It's really a matter of both taste and open-mindedness. By the way, have fun on your vacation, Kaioshin Sama. I still have a good two months of academic negligence ahead of myself before its back to plunging your head into Biology. Ah, the sorry existence of a student. Interesting. I may never exactly share Ōkouchi’s sentiments as this show is literally (and literary) his baby, but I do feel a little tear in my eye upon the thought of seeing Code Geass end. It’s been fun. And this is what anime is supposed to be: FUN. I think people sometimes forget that. I mean, it’s like last time, when I was watching Heroes and my dad was like, “What is this nonsense? People flying? Girls breaking their necks and twisting it back? Is this supposed to be real?” and I am like, “No dad, it’s just television. JUST TELEVISION.” What happened to those days when anime was pure escapism? I mean, I too succumb to certain histrionic fan-boy moments (you are dead if you make me miss an episode of Heroes), but that sort of hysteria can go both ways: a good example is groundless anime bashing.

I agree with Anonymous in that Code Geass has a lot of plot twists, but as someone said before, they aren’t for everyone. I am all for plot twists but I also like linear, a bit more predictable stories. It’s really a matter of both taste and open-mindedness.

By the way, have fun on your vacation, Kaioshin Sama. I still have a good two months of academic negligence ahead of myself before its back to plunging your head into Biology. Ah, the sorry existence of a student.

]]> By: Kaioshin Sama http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/time-to-come-up-with-better-excuses-to-bash-folks-turns-out-the-code-geass-script-is-in-fact-done/#comment-4442 Kaioshin Sama Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:12:28 +0000 http://animehistory.wordpress.com/?p=4146#comment-4442 @Anon: See that's the thing, to me all anime is pretty farfetched. It's fiction and in Code Geass case it's strongly fantasy based which is about as open-ended as genres come. The other thing is ask a Geass fan and the plot twists are fine and they love it, but ask someone who's not a fan or someone who's just showed up to lol and they are ridiculous and "they have a hard time taking this show seriously". Well in this case I say it's almost definitely up to the viewer like I've been saying all along and not really the writer. In my case though I think some parts of the series have fallen a bit short too, mostly as a result of a bloated cast. There are some characters I just think we could do without in order to shrink the cast. They include Sayoko first and foremost (whoever came up with the idea for that character deserves some flak, that much I agree with), Gino (hasn't really been of any consequence), all of Li's generals, Carline & Guinevere (so far), Ms. Romeyer and Tamaki. All of them we could easily do without and have their screentime go to other more important characters. In either case it's a new reason to bash so even if people want to go at it from the 5 year angle without knowing just how they spent those five years it will take a while to get old. @The Animanachronism: Uhhhh...yeah what you said in the second paragraph for sure, but about improv. While it theoretically can be done on the fly with shows like Whose Line Is It Anyway?, with animation there is still deadlines. And while there are shows like South Park where they are able to create episodes as quickly as two weeks ahead of the air date to keep up with current events, (which is just amazing considering that I usually love each and every episode) that show has an ultra simplistic artstyle, while Geass does not. And one has to account for getting Seiyuu in to record their lines (as opposed to Parker and Stone who do all the voices themselves without regard for acting quality), giving the animators time to draw the episodes and the audio department time to mix their music.....and then the dreaded editing phase. So that's why one definitely wants a buffer and why even if the improv writer is talented, it probably won't turn out well anyway. @Camario: 5 years ago the series probably didn't even have a name or a project designation for that matter. I believe they came up with a vague idea for it sometime before Gundam Seed Destiny (god forbid) came out, but at that point it was probably just them dreaming up something big. Anyway, there's some other good news folks. I've lucked into a rare extra day off and completed Metroid Prime 2 last night so those who do like my Code Geass spots can probably look forward to seeing one later tonight. My status has officially been upgraded to semi-vacation now :D @Anon: See that’s the thing, to me all anime is pretty farfetched. It’s fiction and in Code Geass case it’s strongly fantasy based which is about as open-ended as genres come. The other thing is ask a Geass fan and the plot twists are fine and they love it, but ask someone who’s not a fan or someone who’s just showed up to lol and they are ridiculous and “they have a hard time taking this show seriously”. Well in this case I say it’s almost definitely up to the viewer like I’ve been saying all along and not really the writer.

In my case though I think some parts of the series have fallen a bit short too, mostly as a result of a bloated cast. There are some characters I just think we could do without in order to shrink the cast. They include Sayoko first and foremost (whoever came up with the idea for that character deserves some flak, that much I agree with), Gino (hasn’t really been of any consequence), all of Li’s generals, Carline & Guinevere (so far), Ms. Romeyer and Tamaki. All of them we could easily do without and have their screentime go to other more important characters.

In either case it’s a new reason to bash so even if people want to go at it from the 5 year angle without knowing just how they spent those five years it will take a while to get old.

@The Animanachronism: Uhhhh…yeah what you said in the second paragraph for sure, but about improv. While it theoretically can be done on the fly with shows like Whose Line Is It Anyway?, with animation there is still deadlines. And while there are shows like South Park where they are able to create episodes as quickly as two weeks ahead of the air date to keep up with current events, (which is just amazing considering that I usually love each and every episode) that show has an ultra simplistic artstyle, while Geass does not. And one has to account for getting Seiyuu in to record their lines (as opposed to Parker and Stone who do all the voices themselves without regard for acting quality), giving the animators time to draw the episodes and the audio department time to mix their music…..and then the dreaded editing phase. So that’s why one definitely wants a buffer and why even if the improv writer is talented, it probably won’t turn out well anyway.

@Camario: 5 years ago the series probably didn’t even have a name or a project designation for that matter. I believe they came up with a vague idea for it sometime before Gundam Seed Destiny (god forbid) came out, but at that point it was probably just them dreaming up something big.

Anyway, there’s some other good news folks. I’ve lucked into a rare extra day off and completed Metroid Prime 2 last night so those who do like my Code Geass spots can probably look forward to seeing one later tonight. My status has officially been upgraded to semi-vacation now :D

]]> By: Camario http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/time-to-come-up-with-better-excuses-to-bash-folks-turns-out-the-code-geass-script-is-in-fact-done/#comment-4440 Camario Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:55:28 +0000 http://animehistory.wordpress.com/?p=4146#comment-4440 @Anonymous: "5 years" including the planning stage, mind you, a lot of which was probably general brainstorming early on. From what other sources tell us (including some translated excerpts from old interviews and the like), the concept, cast of characters and format of the show went through quite a few changes when it was merely a future project under discussion. I'd imagine that period alone would have taken a couple years, at least, before Code Geass as we know it was approved for production and the real work could begin. @Anonymous: “5 years” including the planning stage, mind you, a lot of which was probably general brainstorming early on.

From what other sources tell us (including some translated excerpts from old interviews and the like), the concept, cast of characters and format of the show went through quite a few changes when it was merely a future project under discussion.

I’d imagine that period alone would have taken a couple years, at least, before Code Geass as we know it was approved for production and the real work could begin.

]]> By: The Animanachronism http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/time-to-come-up-with-better-excuses-to-bash-folks-turns-out-the-code-geass-script-is-in-fact-done/#comment-4439 The Animanachronism Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:14:43 +0000 http://animehistory.wordpress.com/?p=4146#comment-4439 Whether or not something's written on the fly is never really a conclusive criticism. Improvisation is probably a bad sign, but some writers are good enough to knock out a good story nevertheless: <em>Vanity Fair</em>, like lots of novels of its time, was published in serial form, of the twenty parts being like an episode of a television show, and Thackeray came up with the novel as he went along. (Which is why one of the main characters, Dobbin, has such a funny name: Thackeray didn't know Dobbin was going to turn out to be so important when he came up with him.) If Okouchi was a bad writer, he could have written <em>Geass</em>'s story out beforehand and it would've been rubbish. But he's not a bad writer (I'd guess, from looking at what he's worked on before), and <em>Geass</em>'s story is not bad. Not to everyone's taste, with its use of coincidence, but then no story is to everyone's taste. I think the coincidences are perfectly defensible, personally. Whether or not something’s written on the fly is never really a conclusive criticism. Improvisation is probably a bad sign, but some writers are good enough to knock out a good story nevertheless: Vanity Fair, like lots of novels of its time, was published in serial form, of the twenty parts being like an episode of a television show, and Thackeray came up with the novel as he went along. (Which is why one of the main characters, Dobbin, has such a funny name: Thackeray didn’t know Dobbin was going to turn out to be so important when he came up with him.)

If Okouchi was a bad writer, he could have written Geass’s story out beforehand and it would’ve been rubbish. But he’s not a bad writer (I’d guess, from looking at what he’s worked on before), and Geass’s story is not bad. Not to everyone’s taste, with its use of coincidence, but then no story is to everyone’s taste. I think the coincidences are perfectly defensible, personally.

]]> By: Anonymous http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/time-to-come-up-with-better-excuses-to-bash-folks-turns-out-the-code-geass-script-is-in-fact-done/#comment-4438 Anonymous Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:19:55 +0000 http://animehistory.wordpress.com/?p=4146#comment-4438 Yeah I know. I read this article ages ago on 4chan (despite what you may think, sometimes the material is good when the same idiot isn't flooding threads). For bashers of Geass, the fact they took 5 years to produce this is just more fuel to burn. I'm a little surprised it took them so long to produce it considering how farfetched a fair amount of the plot twists seem (let's not bloody get into this again - I think the ideas are conceptually good but the execution falls a bit short). I would have thought that they plot twists could be handled better but I digress... Yeah I know. I read this article ages ago on 4chan (despite what you may think, sometimes the material is good when the same idiot isn’t flooding threads).

For bashers of Geass, the fact they took 5 years to produce this is just more fuel to burn. I’m a little surprised it took them so long to produce it considering how farfetched a fair amount of the plot twists seem (let’s not bloody get into this again – I think the ideas are conceptually good but the execution falls a bit short). I would have thought that they plot twists could be handled better but I digress…

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