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	<title>Comments on: Umineko no Naku Koro ni, Episode 1-3: Dubious Move</title>
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		<title>By: Umineko no Naku Koro ni, Episode 1-3: Analysis, Thoughts and Random Comments &#171; When Anime Past Meets Present</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umineko no Naku Koro ni, Episode 1-3: Analysis, Thoughts and Random Comments &#171; When Anime Past Meets Present</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sure to have watched the episode before reading this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sure to have watched the episode before reading this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ruka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your Umineko reviews and analysis are incredible Klashikari. And I giggle when I read something I myself had also thought of. Please keep going on with them! Anime History has now become a weekly stop for me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your Umineko reviews and analysis are incredible Klashikari. And I giggle when I read something I myself had also thought of. Please keep going on with them! Anime History has now become a weekly stop for me <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nameless one</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nameless one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;m really loving the series so far since I have no VN knowledge, these things really ruin it for you guys. Thanks for the review, if you just watched this for the first time, you wouldn&#039;t criticize this much ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m really loving the series so far since I have no VN knowledge, these things really ruin it for you guys. Thanks for the review, if you just watched this for the first time, you wouldn&#8217;t criticize this much <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Umineko no Naku Koro ni, episode 3 &#8211; Two more hit the floor &#124; Rabbit Poets: Blogging about Anime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Umineko no Naku Koro ni, episode 3 &#8211; Two more hit the floor &#124; Rabbit Poets: Blogging about Anime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] here&#8217;s where I want to take a moment to say you should check out Klashikari&#8217;s analysis on Umineko. They&#8217;re wonderfully written and incredibly detailed. Klashikari also compares what happens [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] here&#8217;s where I want to take a moment to say you should check out Klashikari&#8217;s analysis on Umineko. They&#8217;re wonderfully written and incredibly detailed. Klashikari also compares what happens [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Twila27</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twila27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Outcast: Battler thinks so, too. In the beginning of the game he rants about Ushiromiya&#039;s odd naming habit: Jessica, Battler, George, Krauss, Rudolf, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Outcast: Battler thinks so, too. In the beginning of the game he rants about Ushiromiya&#8217;s odd naming habit: Jessica, Battler, George, Krauss, Rudolf, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: outcast</title>
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		<dc:creator>outcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Battler is the most stupidest name ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Battler is the most stupidest name ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Twila27</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twila27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would like to take the time to high-five Alyu, I played with earbuds in so I usually took them out whenever it panned to a static background without characters, always gave me the feeling it was able to go *shatter*. DX

*Has only played the demo/first episode, planning on buying the fourth episode.*

My main complaint that I thought was a missed chance was the witch talk to Battler in the kitchen. I&#039;m not sure if what I was watching was poorly subbed, but while they &#039;did&#039; mention that Beatrice exists, and that she &#039;is here but you can&#039;t see her&#039;, neither the servants nor Maria mention that she&#039;s behind Battler. He even does a look behind him! &gt;.&lt;;;

My only other nitpick is sorta minor, as I think they downplayed most of Hideyoshi&#039;s moments that make you respect him as the main person that cheers everyone else up in the Ushiromiya family. Ah well. 

And if I end up not being able to buy the fourth episode before the anime starts releasing their episodes for the second episode I&#039;ll probably have to stop watching. ^^;;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would like to take the time to high-five Alyu, I played with earbuds in so I usually took them out whenever it panned to a static background without characters, always gave me the feeling it was able to go *shatter*. DX</p>
<p>*Has only played the demo/first episode, planning on buying the fourth episode.*</p>
<p>My main complaint that I thought was a missed chance was the witch talk to Battler in the kitchen. I&#8217;m not sure if what I was watching was poorly subbed, but while they &#8216;did&#8217; mention that Beatrice exists, and that she &#8216;is here but you can&#8217;t see her&#8217;, neither the servants nor Maria mention that she&#8217;s behind Battler. He even does a look behind him! &gt;.&lt;;;</p>
<p>My only other nitpick is sorta minor, as I think they downplayed most of Hideyoshi&#039;s moments that make you respect him as the main person that cheers everyone else up in the Ushiromiya family. Ah well. </p>
<p>And if I end up not being able to buy the fourth episode before the anime starts releasing their episodes for the second episode I&#039;ll probably have to stop watching. ^^;;</p>
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		<title>By: Deckard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deckard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one thing about Battler&#039;s &quot;chessboard thinking&quot; that the VN and anime omit: randomised actions. 

Let&#039;s assume that the goal of the killer is to kill the six (we know it&#039;s not so) and to remain undiscovered. If a detective can reason who the killer is based on the impression they were trying to leave (returned key, knowledge of the place, disfigured faces) than clearly the killer is not doing a good job - he got discovered through some mental exercise . 

The Rokkenjima type of game - where one of the players lacks information about the other - in Game Theory is called Bayesian game. The solution to this game is often - this case included - a strategy of randomised actions. This can be visualised by culprit having to choices: return and not return the key. The culprit decided between the two by tossing a coin - this way detective cannot spot the culprit through logic alone.

Also, there is great difference between &quot;chessboard thinking&quot; and the game that takes place on Rokkenjima. In latter, Bayesian game, the best thing for criminal to do is almost always to use randomised actions. In the &quot;chessboard  thinking&quot; - Extensive Form Game - the goals of the game are clear, the players observe each others moves thus the game can be solved is a rather simple (albeit calculation intensive) way.

P.S. It&#039;s a bit late, so i might have made a few mistakes in terminology. Also, i haven&#039;t double checked the solution for the &quot;key return&quot; problem, but i&#039;m quite certain it a random strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one thing about Battler&#8217;s &#8220;chessboard thinking&#8221; that the VN and anime omit: randomised actions. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume that the goal of the killer is to kill the six (we know it&#8217;s not so) and to remain undiscovered. If a detective can reason who the killer is based on the impression they were trying to leave (returned key, knowledge of the place, disfigured faces) than clearly the killer is not doing a good job &#8211; he got discovered through some mental exercise . </p>
<p>The Rokkenjima type of game &#8211; where one of the players lacks information about the other &#8211; in Game Theory is called Bayesian game. The solution to this game is often &#8211; this case included &#8211; a strategy of randomised actions. This can be visualised by culprit having to choices: return and not return the key. The culprit decided between the two by tossing a coin &#8211; this way detective cannot spot the culprit through logic alone.</p>
<p>Also, there is great difference between &#8220;chessboard thinking&#8221; and the game that takes place on Rokkenjima. In latter, Bayesian game, the best thing for criminal to do is almost always to use randomised actions. In the &#8220;chessboard  thinking&#8221; &#8211; Extensive Form Game &#8211; the goals of the game are clear, the players observe each others moves thus the game can be solved is a rather simple (albeit calculation intensive) way.</p>
<p>P.S. It&#8217;s a bit late, so i might have made a few mistakes in terminology. Also, i haven&#8217;t double checked the solution for the &#8220;key return&#8221; problem, but i&#8217;m quite certain it a random strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: alyu</title>
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		<dc:creator>alyu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after playing episode 1 (which I did after your first analysis), I became disappointed in this episode. but I&#039;m more surprised at the fact that they plan to cram the rest of episode one into 2 eps, since I feel at least 3-4 more eps are necessary to fully go thru all the events in the vn.  

looking forward to the next analysis, going to play ep 2 now.  

random aside:  the glass breaking in the anime is no where near as creepy as it is in the vn;  I started muting the game whenever I suspected the glass breaking would occur soon (I&#039;m a coward)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after playing episode 1 (which I did after your first analysis), I became disappointed in this episode. but I&#8217;m more surprised at the fact that they plan to cram the rest of episode one into 2 eps, since I feel at least 3-4 more eps are necessary to fully go thru all the events in the vn.  </p>
<p>looking forward to the next analysis, going to play ep 2 now.  </p>
<p>random aside:  the glass breaking in the anime is no where near as creepy as it is in the vn;  I started muting the game whenever I suspected the glass breaking would occur soon (I&#8217;m a coward)</p>
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		<title>By: Smorgasbored</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smorgasbored</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like it should be Klashikari narrating Umineko...
...and not Bernk--*shot*</description>
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&#8230;and not Bernk&#8211;*shot*</p>
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