My Official Thoughts On The Code Geass R2 Episode 03 Leak

Meh….if it airs it airs, if it doesn’t it doesn’t.  If it’s changed it’s changed if it isn’t it isn’t.  Whatever comes we’ll find out then.  Until that point I trust official information over John Q. Spammer on 2ch.  Sunrise isn’t the one creating the drama though, it’s 2ch and commentators on the whole series of events.  As far as I know they haven’t even said boo yet, but then again I bet they take a lot of crap for it anyway because of one disgruntled employee since this is just the kind of thing some people will take to bash the hell out of them.  Sucks to be Sunrise these days, you just can’t catch a break.

That’s pretty much all I have to say about this right now.


10 Responses to “My Official Thoughts On The Code Geass R2 Episode 03 Leak”

  1. 1 Keriaku April 15, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    What happened? What was all the drama?

  2. 2 Kaioshin Sama April 15, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    The final six minutes (4 really when you count the credits and preview) of episode 03 were leaked onto the internet by a staff member at Sunrise. As for your second question, I don’t really have an answer for you as I’m not really sure why all the drama.

  3. 3 ZeusIrae April 15, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Who cares?Why in the world wouldn’t they air the damn ep for this? It’s not like the no life otakus are that important for a sunday afternoon show(if I am not wrong).

  4. 4 Myssa Rei April 16, 2008 at 1:06 am

    I personally think it’s much ado about nothing, as the episode will probably be aired anyway (given the sheer amount of resources it takes to even make one episode, NOT airing it would be a tremendous waste).

  5. 5 Kaioshin Sama April 16, 2008 at 2:04 am

    @Myssa Rei:

    Considering that Sunrise has made nothing of it, I think it’s safe to assume it will air. By the time it does though the trolls will have pretty much decimated their reputation surrounding this incident to the point where people will be genuinely surprised when it does and get caught off guard. They’re already starting off with stupid “Typical Sunrise” comments. That doesn’t even make sense to me since to my knowledge nothing like this has ever happened to them in their almost 40 years, and for another they seem to be handling it quite well by merely pressing charges against the responsible party and not fanning the flames to early. Of course nothing Sunrise does or handles well can ever stop the mass trolling against them and they will always be likened to incompetent fools on the internet so I’m probably going to have to run in and explain to everybody what’s really going on once the official news breaks.

    If you want my honest opinion, people are just hating on them again because they make popular anime and whatever the haters like either isn’t getting as much press or isn’t as well received as a result. Unfortunately this is just the perfect mistake of a single employee that is going to end up reflecting poorly on the company due to the disinformation that is already spreading like wildfire.

    Thing is just because you are a large company doesn’t automatically make you a conglomerate that is only concerned with money and will make any horrible series for a quick buck and screw the fans out of an episode when necessary. I think the companies track record and experience will speak for itself, when and how they respond.

    And even on the slim chance it does get pulled, people waited an extra week twice for some Clannad episodes and for all we know they could have been quitely rewriting those episodes, so I don’t get why they can’t wait a little longer for Code Geass. Probably because that was a Kyoani series and this is a Sunrise one is my bet. Circumstances and reactions change quite remarkably depending on peoples bias it seems.

    I guarantee you one thing though, were this any other studio you would see a ton of sympathy for how bad they were screwed over by this employee and a lot less of this unfairness and stupidity. Some fans just really need to grow up and lose that schoolyard free-for-all mentality of viewing things.

  6. 6 Myssa Rei April 16, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Easy there Kaio, take off the tinted sunglasses of the Defender of Sunrise, put aside your distaste for Kyoto Animation, and walk with an old fan for a few minutes will you?

    Having seen and experienced the anime fandom on both sides of the Pacific, I’ll have to say that, for all its faults, Western anime fans are actually more logical and coherent with their grievances, when compared to your average hikki-ota Japanese fanboy. Even your archnemesis DarkMirage, and the oft-maligned Jason Miao, despite their grumpy-old-men filters, at least make sense when they complain about a series, as their arguments always have a kernel (small as it may be) of truth.

    If you’ve managed to frequent the Japanese-language boards, you’ll find out that all studios — from Sunrise, Gonzo, PA Works, AIC to name some — have, at most, a two or three-episode buffer of goodwill among fans of the series they produce, before some random nitpick spirals into an out-and-out inferno directed at the studio. No studio, even the much-revered Kyoto Animation (by Western fans for its steady quality) is exempt from this.

    It’s a tireless cycle, and often the said nitpick doesn’t really make any sense (the last one I’ve seen, in the KyoAni fanboards, was started when someone complained that CLANNAD wasn’t following the ‘standard’ arc to arc progression of visual novel adaptations). And even that’s relatively tame when compared to the tidalwave of complaints that PA Works and JC Staff received with their adaptations of True Tears and Kimikiss.

    Things like this, well, your average Western fan will likely shrug off, but it’s the type of controversy that generates maelstroms of arguments in Eastern communities. What was the phrase? Ah yes, a $|-|17storm.

  7. 7 Myssa Rei April 16, 2008 at 10:00 am

    Hmm, the message cut off…

    As for biased sympathy, well you’ll more likely see that in Western fandoms than the hothouses of irrational intrigue and sewer sludge that is your average Japanese -chan message board. Yeech.

  8. 8 Name April 16, 2008 at 11:44 am

    “I guarantee you one thing though, were this any other studio you would see a ton of sympathy for how bad they were screwed over by this employee and a lot less of this unfairness and stupidity. Some fans just really need to grow up and lose that schoolyard free-for-all mentality of viewing things.”

    I doubt it. I really do – people tend to flog any studio when they completely mess up. Except those Kyoto Animation Moemoe Fanboy/girls but we can generally ignore them for anything made by Kyoto Animation is automatically awesome. Heck speaking of Jason, if he wasn’t such an obvious Kyoto Animation fanboy, his blog would probably have a better percentage of good stuff.

    Not to run over Sunrise anymore, but I haven’t known them for good writing and you’ll definitely flog me for this, but ‘acclaimed’ classics such as 0079/Zeta Gundam/ZZ Gundam have cringeworthy scripts and scenes at certain points. If anything, I’ve been more impressed by Armoured Trooper VOTOMS, Crest of the Stars, Turn A Gundam (All hail Syd Mead!), and Planetes – thinking about it again, a lot of their Gundam shows really do let them down.

    They have a point when they criticize Sunrise (although it’s really the STAFF which should be blamed…). While I could be a ‘grump-old-man’, but I am willing to 100% accept that a great amount of their recent stuff (from 2000-2008) pales compared to some of their awesome shows and OVAs from the past. Is it because they’re heavily attempting to make their shows ‘mainstream’? I don’t know and I don’t really care enough about it – simply because if I don’t like the series, I don’t watch it.

    But I guess it’s kind of snowballed. One person, probably quite a reputable guy, complains about Sunrise then other people pick it up and soon after, everyone is complaining about Sunrise. Then the comments about them being slaves to Bandai. Well I could really say the same for a lot of studios – in my eyes, Kyoto Animation are slaves to Kadokawa Shoten/KEY. And it isn’t pretty.

  9. 9 Kaioshin Sama April 16, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    @Myssa: Oh I know about 2ch with it’s seperate threads for general discussion and then the anti-threads which are strictly for posting any absurd negative remarks you want. I find the key problem with Japanese fans is that a lot of them are unwilling to accept change…of any kind. Be it a slip in the adaptation of a novel, a new spin on an old beloved franchise, or just something that hasn’t been done before. The original Gundam even got cancelled for it.

    @Name: Your referring to Tomino-dialogue, which is his tendency to sometimes have quick rapid fire speeches by the characters that play off each other and often just don’t make sense because he wasn’t (still isn’t) quite stable. It didn’t happen all the time, but when it did then it was indeed cringe-worthy. Chalk up their mainstreamness to the time for which they’ve been around. Even Kyoto Animation is starting to enter the mainstream due to the sponsorship from Kadokawa.

    Interesting fact, Kadokawa and Bandai share stock in each other (and Toei) and are partially merged without it being outright formal. In a sense if Kadokawa is Kyoani’s parent company and Bandai is Sunrise’s parent company, that makes them something like distant cousins. The more you know.

    By the way, speaking of Bandai, apparently it was their fault that the episode was leaked as they were testing a security measure to try and prevent unauthorized video posts when they accidentally uploaded the episode to the internet. Obviously the system didn’t work. Foolish Bandai, and of course Sunrise got blamed for it because of a 2ch rumour. The episode is going to air as scheduled by the way.

  10. 10 Owaranai April 17, 2008 at 3:09 am

    The thing with Japanese being overly critical is essentially a part of their culture, to want everything to be ‘perfect’ in their sense. They have the culture of ‘arasagashi’ and ‘age tsurau’, which is described to be nitpicking and finding endless fault with things they set their eyes upon. I expect to think that they probably have higher expectations for everything that comes out, so while it is possible to attribute the negativity towards Sunrise in the non-Japan community (@Myssa Rei: I live in the East, after all. As does DM. 😉 ) to character or studio bias, it’s the expectations of what they want that makes parts of 2ch into a garbage dump for mindless hate.

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