Umineko no Naku Koro ni, Episode 2-5 and 2-6: Analysis, Thoughts and Random Comments

[Disclaimer]: This entry might contain MINOR spoilers. However, while the analysis might push you to these minor spoilers, NO foretelling spoiler is present. Therefore, please follow the same guideline, and understand that any spoiler can just ruin this critical part of the story for any reader. Good reading!
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Battler surrendered… but not for long.
However, can we really be satisfied with several mysteries left unanswered? I doubt so.
So, let’s see what we can do with these…

Turn of the Golden Witch Analyses: [Episode 2-2], [Episode 2-3], [Episode 2-4]

Be sure to have watched the episode before reading this !

This week, I will focus mainly on the following points :

  1. Disappearance
  2. Rosa
  3. Battler
  4. Random Comment: Lambdadelta

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[Analysis]

I. Disappearance

The start of the episode is yet another weird closed room which might be a tad more difficult than the rest.
So, from what we know (assuming Kanon isn’t the culprit):
1) The culprit managed to barge among the servants with an effective distraction.
2) At the servants’ room, Kumasawa and Nanjo were killed and the culprit got away quite quickly.
3) The remaining servants somewhat took 5-10 minutes to explain everything to Rosa and the rest.
4) The room is still locked, but there isn’t any corpse, only a letter and Kanon and Kumasawa’s master keys are left in the room.

From this point, the natural conclusion would make anyone questioning the remaining servants or the door itself.
However, let’s think about the motive of such doing:

For starters, it doesn’t make any sense for the remaining servants to lock the door after moving the corpse if they were the culprits. The same situation happened already with Jessica, and the only “possible” suspects at first would be them.
Therefore, if the servants were really the culprits, there is no reason for them to lock the door, and they would simply leave it open, arguing the situation was so critical that none thought about locking the door (which is pretty much understandable).
Of course, we cannot deny once again the servants are playing the reverse psychology tactic, setting a situation that cast an obvious suspicion on them to make things unreasonable for a culprit. However, it looks pretty much reckless in a practical view, which is proved by Rosa’s immediate measure.

But let’s think more about it: let’s assume it was the objective of the culprit… wouldn’t be the best opportunity to split the remaining survivors?
Certainly, even if we just brush off Rosa’s silly wolf and sheep reasoning, limiting the group number is always an advantage.
But what would have happened if Rosa was more reckless than expected and shot down the suspects? Surely enough, it would just backfire at the real culprit if they were among the servants (similar to the last letter in Episode 1).
Therefore, we can assume the whole disappearance of Nanjo and Kumasawa, combined with the key issue were just a device to not only appear to be a witch for some people, but also being able to hunt down the outcast, proved in Episode 2-6, while the culprit isn’t among them. A pretty similar situation we could observe in the end of Episode 1.

The objective was attained, now the biggest problem now is… to figure how the culprit managed to construct this closed room.
The red is as follows:

All of the servants’ room keys are kept in the key box in the center of the servants’ room.
It is impossible to enter or exit except by the single door and the single window. And both of those were locked.
The door and the window cannot be entered or exited through when locked.
It is impossible to lock or unlock the door without a key to the servants’ room or the master key.

However, a critical information wasn’t included in the anime:

Beatrice: No one exists in this room except all of you. ‘All of you’ refers to Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, and Shannon.
Meta-Battler: …….Wha, ………
Beatrice: Let’s go back with Jessica’s room. When Jessica’s corpse was discovered, only Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were in Jessica’s room. Whoops, the corpse of Jessica is also included. Therefore, both in the case of Jessica’s room and the case in this servants’ room, no humans exist that you were not aware of. No one is hiding.
And I will say more. No method exists by which the door can be locked from the outside without using a key. Regarding the window, no method exists by which it could somehow be locked from the outside.
And let me also say this. You are incompetent! *cackle*cackle*cackle*cackle*, hi-hhihihhihihihihihihihihihihi!!

Therefore, it becomes quite difficult to have a flawless solution. Considering the red regarding the door, it is certain that it had to be a master key. If we consider how they received Kanon and Kumasawa’s master keys, it is safe to speculate that these 2 keys are the real deal, or any of the remaining servants would notice otherwise.
From this point, it has to be either Genji, Gohda or Shannon, but how would it be possible if they were together all this time?
Of course, I started the premise that “there is a trick behind the whole flashy show”, therefore, it isn’t even sure if they were together to begin with.
That said, should they not be ALL in cahoots, it would be abnormal for the innocent servant(s) to cover the culprit(s). By this extension, it is reasonable to assume the three of them are innocents for this case (that doesn’t mean they are automatically innocent for the whole game or story).

If we assume they are innocent, we have to flip the chessboard once again.
Let’s assume the culprit keeps going in their whimsical actions… How would they do that?
Disposing the corpses isn’t an issue: we can assume the culprit threw Kumasawa and Nanjo’s corpses from the window, and they could simply lock the window afterwards.
However, locking the door is plain difficult, because if the culprit locked it from the outside, because of the red truth, it must be either Shannon, Genji or Gohda’s key. And if it is the case, either the culprit managed to snatch it (which is very unlikely considering they had to relinquish them) or they are the culprit(s) or accomplice(s).

Therefore, how about thinking how the culprit locked from the INSIDE?
You will probably think “wait a second! You just revealed that the game proved no one was hiding!”. Sure but, who said there isn’t any other corpse?
If we take what Beatrice is saying literally, it means that “no one is trying to erase their presence”.
Therefore… what about a CORPSE? Yes, that sound crazy, but thinking the theory regarding Jessica’s case, if someone locked the door from the inside before dying, it won’t go against ANY red truth at all.
Of course, it cannot be Kumasawa or Nanjo… therefore, how about Kanon?

Certainly, he died but… the trick here is that Kanon was declared “killed” in the room. Let’s imagine this: what if the “illusion” of the “dark kanon” was actually some half truth?
What if Kanon was mortally wounded (hence sentenced to death in Jessica’s room), but managed to get his way to the kitchen? Assuming he was mortally wounded, then thrown out of the window, it is possible that Kanon managed to get his last strengths to crawl to the kitchen, hoping to warn his fellow colleagues.
After a lot of consideration, Kanon’s disappearance is way too weird, but since there is no blood stain in the corridor, I think it is natural to conclude the culprit disposed of his body through the window. Of course, they could carry the corpses elsewhere, but that is rather an hassle considering the tiny time frame (The trio reporting to Rosa lasted 5 minutes at best) and paying attention that no blood drop was left on the carpet of the corridor.
Furthermore, if Rosa is again cautious like she was shown from the start, it is possible that they didn’t check the servants’ room, because of the shock, the letter but also leaving the room intact for police investigation. Because of that, Kanon’s role looks more and more plausible here.

Now, the other trick is also Shannon, Genji and Gohda. They were literally astonished by the impossible scene they witnessed… However, if we consider the premise of anti-fantasy, that cannot be true. Therefore, we have to doubt what they were seeing or… what they were SAYING.
I believe there is something extremely odd here: if they are the culprits, why would they expose themselves in a situation that risky? If they are innocents, how come they didn’t explain the whole scene to Rosa?
In both sides, their behavior isn’t exactly logical from a respective standpoint.
Therefore, I thought of something a bit twisted: if we consider the illusion was half truth, what if Kanon was really there, dying, then, for some reason, thought Rosa was the killer?
Let’s imagine Kanon was attacked by the culprit, and during the confrontation, the culprit is saying something like “I follow the orders of the Ushiromiya!”, Kanon would definitely suspect Rosa because she is the only sibling alive, thus the only possible candidate for the inheritance.
Upon hearing this incredible revelation, it is possible that the servants were scheming a lie.
Rosa’s reasoning about “people faking their death in order to act in the shadows” doesn’t work from a culprit’s point of view considering it would expose his accomplices right away (assuming Shannon, Genji and Gohda were “covering” the culprit). Therefore, how about people faking their death in order to track down the culprit?
The idea is like this: let’s imagine you are the culprit, and during your little charade, your preys are suddenly attacked as well by another unidentified murderer. Logically, you will be bewildered, because the roles are reversed, and then you are potentially in danger, without being able to act openly, because revealing your true colors would be suicide (spotted by the second murderer or the survivors).

This is the twisted idea I was thinking of: if the servants were suspecting Rosa (for good reasons, considering her odd reactions and her status), messing up her plans would be a good countermeasure: regardless how they are acting, they will be killed anyway, so gambling on this kind of reckless move isn’t that bad by itself.
From this point, we can speculate that Shannon, Genji and Gohda were going back to the parlor, while Kumasawa and Nanjo left the master keys and went hiding, while Kanon used his blood to fake Nanjo and Kumasawa and hides himself.
Likewise, it is possible that Kanon wasn’t there at all, but this plan still works: the servants faked Kumasawa and Nanjo’s death, and one of the three locked the door.
Ultimately, the plan backfired and both elderly servants were killed by the true culprit.

There is also a possible twist in this case: We can speculate that the plan was agreed by everyone, but as soon as the trio left, Kumasawa or Nanjo backstabbed the other one. And unwilling to be finished off by the betrayer, Kanon locked the door before succumbing from his wounds, while the real murderer was moving the other servant’s corpse. Generally speaking, Kumasawa is the most suspicious among all of them, because of her vague alibis.
As for her “death”, it is possible that she is faking it (Nanjo is dead after all), or she was truly killed by someone else (probably Genji) after being spotted.

In these 3 scenarios, none go against the red truth, and there is still one of them that works without Kanon.
The idea is that since we don’t know when Kumasawa and Nanjo died, there is no guarantee they really died at that given moment. We cannot trust completely what the trio were saying, therefore, there is a leeway to see through of it, if they weren’t hallucinating.
That said, I’m pretty certain this acting doesn’t make sense if any of the three is the culprit. But there is no obligation for the innocent to remain honest all the time, especially if they are themselves trying to lure out the culprit.

But then, why did they go to Natsuhi’s room?
I will admit that I have no clue about this: there is nothing that can supplement the idea that this room is the safest, so it is very likely they were looking for something, though that mirror being the reason is really doubtful.
That said, how this closed room was done then? Not really hard: even if Beato stated in red that this room is like the usual, with Natsuhi’s room key in George’s pocket, it is possible that Gohda tried to shelter himself while dying. To begin with, nothing proves they died altogether, so maybe the culprit killed both George and Shannon, stashed them in Natsuhi’s room. Then, they lured Gohda there, ambushed him, and in a last ditch effort, the servant locked the room from the inside before dying (which is supplemented by the position of his corpse).

And for your instance, Natsuhi’s room abide to the same circumstances of the previous case:

Beatrice: That’s exactly right!
Natsuhi’s room was exactly the same, just like usual! The door and the windows were locked from the inside.
There is no fraud or trick, there is no means of secret passage and no hidden place!
Natsuhi’s own key was in George’s pocket, and the inside of the room was closed off. Only the five master keys were left, and ‘Rosa’ was holding all of them!
And let me say this, the parlor’s the same. The original key to the parlor is sealed in the servants’ room.
So unlocking it without the master key is impossible!  The definition of a closed room is the same as always!
Come on, now there’s only one suspeeeeect, `@`or are you still playing innocent, Ushiromiya Battleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer?!

II. Rosa

Probably the center of attention in this arc, Rosa is probably the key character of the mysteries behind the murders here.
As I explained in the previous articles, I cannot exactly claim she is the culprit, however my point of view from this point is like this: she knows much more than it looks like.

Let’s analyze a bit her behavior.
First, she was shown with Maria and “Beatrice”. However, since the scene involves fantasy, the anti-fantasy premise will make us conclude that either Rosa was seeing a sleight of hand, perfectly done by Beatrice, or the scene isn’t exactly true.
By this definition, it is actually difficult to gauge if Rosa “really” received the letter as result.

Anyway, what’s actually the most suspicious behavior she was having during the second is her persistent stance to blame on the servants.
Although I understand that Gohda and Kumasawa were suspicious due to the lack of alibi, I’m rather unimpressed by her staunch stance despite there are definitely 2 extra suspects in the lot: Beatrice and Kinzo.
For weird reason, she doesn’t say anything about Beatrice despite she acknowledged she is around several times. Why would anyone brush off this possibility, especially considering how Beatrice is welcomed by Kinzo and his servants?
Kinzo is yet another prime choice: he is about to die, he is nuts, he is an occult maniac, and most of all: his whereabouts are NEVER checked, except once: when Shannon and Genji were helping him for a will and then Rosa came for the winchester.
Therefore, why didn’t Rosa mention him even once? Why didn’t they just barge in his study (since Rosa could enter), in order to shelter themselves?

It is way too strange, which makes her reasoning extremely silly afterwards. She revealed her ugly side when she says the servants cannot be trusted, as a duplicated key “definitely” exists… We have a proof that it cannot be the case, but this reasoning is really normal… but then, why did she dismiss Beatrice, saying “she doesn’t have a key” back with Jessica’s murder?
That’s a gigantic contradiction here: you have first a complete denial of extra suspects because the number of master keys is known, yet when the said suspects relinquished their keys, Rosa keeps saying they cannot be trusted, because more keys can exist?
This is where it becomes extremely strange: like I said, the extra master key idea is very natural in this kind of situation, however it would have been even more natural to think about it for Jessica’s case, when you have a convenient guest who is eluding everyone?
That observation is even more supplemented by the way she is accusing them: normally, you would rather disable the suspects, but the issue is that Rosa was trying to show she was right. The definite moment of this was when she was gleefully claiming she was right when the servants mentioned Kanon at first (and it is even more blatant in the VN, when she confronts Gohda and Kumasawa).

To make things worse: if she thinks they are the culprit(s), why did she leave them alone, allowing them to roam around? That doesn’t make sense at all: she is letting the presumed murderers in the loose. If she can’t keep her eyes on them, how can she assure her own safety? What if they attack from different fronts together? Like Gohda charging the door, Genji and Shannon breaking some different windows?
Or… how about an arson? Considering she believes the servants have spare keys, it is then logical to think they have access to any location of the mansion, so they can have countless tools.
Honestly, it would be much more logic to restrain them and keep them within your line of sight, so they cannot do anything suspicious. Not only it is much safer, but if they happen to be innocent, there won’t be any unecessary casualty. At worse, she could find a room without any window, pack them while being tied with ropes, and lock the door (and stripping them naked should she fear they have tools or hidden keys).
Natsuhi made the same mistake, but she was really urged by her sense of duty and the situation was more “clear” (more “apparant” clues to suspect the servants) and stressful. Rosa, on the other hand, was rather calm, had her suspicions from the very beginning. Although evidences show that Battler is innocent, I will admit that considering the situation and context, it was natural for Rosa to suspect Battler, pretty similar to Natsuhi’s reaction. However, it is clear that  the presumption of innocence doesn’t even exist in Rosa’s mind: she herself claimed that you can only trust yourself and the “corpses”. True enough, in a survival approach, going for the ruthless “guilty until proved otherwise” is fitting. However, the condition for proving one’s innocence is pretty suicidal.

Hence, I believe Rosa is using quite a tunnel vision: for some reason, she is focalised only on the servants. Emphasis on the only, because there is no issue in suspecting the bearers of the master keys, but focalising only on them is rather too odd here.  She isn’t exploiting all possibilities given to her, despite she is quite intelligent (she always had an answer to George and Battler’s arguments, and she could admit few loopholes, such like the servants exposing themselves by locking Jessica’s door).
With all the odd occurences here and there, I believe Rosa is way too suspicious regarding what she “knows”. This is why I think she is the key character of this arc, much more than any servant.

III. Battler

The end of Episode 2 was rather brutal for Battler: not only he couldn’t do anything, but he was forced to surrender to the witch.
Because of this, there is probably some big confusion regarding Meta-Battler’s return in the tea party.

But first, I assume some of you will think that Beatrice definitely exists, since she was shown before Battler, right?
Well the little loophole I can say is: was Battler totally sane here?
From what we know (more in details with the VN), Battler wasn’t totally conscious, but smashed drunk. When he was roaming around after his argument with Rosa, he helped himself with the liquor cabinet of the dining room.  Since Battler isn’t used with alcohol, it is definitely no wonder he became drunk (especially that Kinzo isn’t frugal with the liquor: they are quite strong beverage).
Therefore, the fact Battler saw Beatrice etc cannot be trusted one bit.

Now, how come Meta Battler was able to make such come back?
The idea is that: even if Battler and Meta Battler are essentially the “same” in term of character, they are different entities. Therefore, while it is true Meta Battler was on the verge of surrendering, he didn’t, but was basically “mute” since he couldn’t fight back.
His “real world self” of the Episode 2, however, gave up (or so it seems), which might be the figurative despair that Meta Battler fell into.

It is only when he witnessed Rosa fighting to her fullest to protect Maria, even after being abducted by Beatrice afterwards that his will was made anew.
Sure, Meta Battler didn’t solve the mysteries of this Episode, but did he do that with Episode 1? Neither. That doesn’t mean he “lost”: Remember that it is a game between Meta Battler and Beatrice, therefore, you can expect them to determine the winner by themselves.
The fact Meta Battler cannot explain everything yet doesn’t mean it is hopeless: new elements from later Episodes and more observations (what’s different and what’s similar) would definitely be a plus.
Which means: as long as Meta-Battler still has the fighting spirit to keep going, the game will continue for all eternity until a clear winner is announced.

IV. Lambdadelta

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[WARNING]: A bit like bernkastel’s section for the analysis of Episode 1-5, this section is VERY spoilerish regarding the core mystery of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni and kai! This section should only be read if you have already watched the series, or if you are prepared to be spoiled regarding a specific character. I would wholeheartedly suggest you to check Higurashi first, because I will be forced to use facts from the ending and the like.

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A new witch appeared out of the blue, and she seems an acquaintance to Bernkastel… who might she be?

Well, first, remember what was said in Episode 1-5: Bernkastel and Lambdadelta had a “game” before, and it seems Bernkastel won, only because she was outlasting Lambdadelta.
Of course, it is no one else but the representation of Takano Miyo, in Higurashi no Naku Koro ni.
This is very obvious, because Lambdadelta (ΛΔ) is composed of greek letters, of a numerical value: respectively 30 and 4, thus 34.
Takano’s first name, Miyo, is written like this in Japanese: 三四, which can be read as 3 and 4 with the kanji.

However, please bear in mind that even if they are physically similar (Lambda looks exactly like Takano’s young self, Tanashi Miyoko), they are fundamentally not the same entity at all.
It is much more drastic than Bernkastel: Lambdadelta is said to be a witch from the start, she isn’t Takano who “evolved” into a witch.
The thing is that Lambda is the representation of the rules surrounding Higurashi: as the Witch of Certainty, she can make things to happen without fail, which is actually what happened in Higurashi: Takano had a ruthless and unyielding will that lead us many years into her grand project to avenge her grandfather and ascend as a “god”.
To supplement this fact, there is an extra tips involving Lambda. She has written in some memories that she helped a child to “become god”, which is pretty obvious at this point.
Furthermore, Takano herself wasn’t aware of any “reset” at all: as shown in Kai, she had to face Rika’s counter attacks without expecting anything at all. If she was subject to the same phenomenon than Rika, she could probably prevent Shion when the latter killed Rika in Watanagashi and Meakashi-hen.

Thus, what kind of role Lambdadelta has? Surely enough, you didn’t expect her to be a simple bystander, right?
As seen in episode 2-6, Lambda will be the ally of anyone who is Bern’s opponent. But more accurately, Lambda was known to be the strongest witch of the universe, and since Bern defeated her in their last game, Lambda lost this title.

Now, what’s interesting is what comes after Bern’s declaration.
The three witches exchanged few words how they will go full force and how it will be fitting to get away of boredom. Because of that, Bern thanks Beato. After few antics, Lambda leaves, followed by Beatrice shortly after.
Bern is alone, and once again talk to “us”/Battler.
Surprisingly enough, Bern is more empathic here and apologizes, saying things sure turned ugly now.
Bern admits that even if she went through a tragic fate, ours is worse. She admits that our fate is similar to what she went through with Lambda, shut in a labyrinth of cruel fate, tormented. Since she was born from a world like this, she believes she is like an older sister to us. This is because of our cruel fate that she decides to lend her power.
Even so, Bern tries to be optimist and states we/Battler shouldn’t lose heart no matter what.
The information here becomes very interesting: Bern states that unlike Lambda, Beato doesn’t always use the best moves to her disposal (the weakness of the chessboard thinking). Because of that, Beato is really unpredictable, while Lambda was “easier” because she was definitely going full force (which allows observers to notice similarities between the worlds of Higurashi, thus a lot of clues as result).
However, similar to chess, since Beato doesn’t use her best move, there is a leeway for a counter attack, since there will be definitely a weak spot as result., so the possibilities to take advantage aren’t zero.

Trying to cheer up, Bern does something really unexpected:

……Umm, in times like this, what did I used to say again?

………Umm, uh,
………Fi, …fight, oh~.

Mii, nipa~☆

After being embarassed by this, she disappears.
It doesn’t stop there though!

Quickly after that, Lambda appears, looking for us/Battler.
Of course, Lambda is bragging about her powers and how shabby Bern’s pieces are, though she has to make excuse for her defeat, admitting “she had pity and let Bern to place her pieces wherever she wants in the last part of their game”, which obviously made Bern putting all her pawns on Lambda’s side.
Lambda is scheming her revenge, but “we”/Battler are still in bad shape, she decides to give some help, “out of compassion”.

She then explains that Beato is no match to her, because of this aspect of going “easy”, not using the best moves all the time. So, she summarize that Beato has the bad habit in playing “as if she has won”. By this, she confirms that Beato has a definite weakness that can be used. Lambda says that Beato is often mistaken in her strategy and goals. Lowering her own chance of winning is something that Lambda doesn’t understand, but even so this is because of that that Bern has hard time with the Endless Witch, because Bern is actually someone who read thoroughly her opponent so she can counter. Therefore, a whimsical opponent is the worst affinity for her.
This is even more true if we think about their respective power: since Lambda had a definite objective, using all of her means to the maximum, she becomes “predictable” and hence, a pattern is seen (the 3 rules, X, Y and Z). So Bern had to loop her possibilities for a miracle to happen (something that break the 3 rules, which was Keiichi and so forth).
However, since Beato is fickle (kill anyone endlessly, so disregarding the dice roll, hence the circumstances), Bern is unable to figure what to do.
With the dice roll analogy, Bern is always rolling until she has the result she wants, Lambda always throw the result she wants, while Beato goes with whatever the result she got with her dice.

Thus, Lambda likens their positions with rock paper scissor: one can defeat another witch, but not the other one.
Of course, Lambda pretend she is an exception, a super-paper, which can defeat both Beato as rock and Bern as scissor (ironically, “pah” for paper in japanese also mean dull/stupid…).

Another important point is that Lambda reveals Beato intentionally tortured Rosa in the tea party, in order to stir our/Battler’s righteousness, and it worked.
As she is leaving, Lambda is obviously taking the usual tsundere stance, pretending she didn’t help Battler in order to save him, just out of pity and it would not be good for her if Bern is defeated by Beato.
As a last word, she swear she won’t forgive anyone making Bern cry.

So, I assume this might clear some things, right?
Now the idea with Lambda’s revelations is interesting enough: to begin with, can we really claim that Beatrice/the culprit wins in each Episode? True enough, people die but… if we dig with what Lambda says, it is possible that the culprit has an expectation, otherwise, they would simply slaughter everyone, as they don’t need to pull such farce.
However, at this stage, it is nearly impossible to figure the motive of the culprit.

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My apologies for this abnormally belated entry. Major part of it is that I was extremely busy with pressing IRL matter, though I will admit that I had hard time to find a proper theory for a little moment, regarding the twilights. That said, I believe they are working and I’m interested if anyone has made anything alongside.
That said, considering how many things were left from the VN, I’m sure a lot of things will be thrown to the trash, especially the obvious “someone is hiding…”.

I will try to catch up the other episodes as quickly as I can, don’t worry.

三四.
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4 Responses to “Umineko no Naku Koro ni, Episode 2-5 and 2-6: Analysis, Thoughts and Random Comments”


  1. 1 Roger Pepitone October 7, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    How about this tweaking of your hypotheses:
    – Rosa stabbed Jessica and Kanon in her room. Jessica is killed instantly, but Kanon manages to push Rosa out of the room and locks the door from the inside before collapsing. Without a key, Rosa is unable to get in, and paints the circle on it, and hopes
    – Shannon and Genji find the door with the circle and open it. They find Kanon, right before he expires. Possibly, he regains consciousness and tells them Rosa attacked him and Jessica.
    – In any case, they realized the killer couldn’t be sure whether Kanon was alive or dead. They decided to hide Kanon’s body and try to make the killer think that Kanon was still alive and seeking revenge.

    Another thing: I can’t recall if this was mentioned in the anime, but before they leave to find all the bodies, Battler and Maria were napping. Both of them had been sleeping through a good part of Oct. 4, and they’d gotten a decent amount of sleep overnight, and it’s only 8 PM.

  2. 2 klashikari October 7, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Humm, these are interesting as well.
    I was also thinking about Rosa being the culprit when I first played Episode 2, as she went totally MIA, when she was “supposed” to get the winchester.
    Since no one can testify what she was doing midway, it is possible she did something in the meantime.

    That said, because of her behavior, I was thinking her being the culprit was kinda difficult, as some things didn’t really make sense as I mentioned in my previous analyses. That said, I’m assuming the “best moves”, which can be invalid if we consider that a perfect crime isn’t always the case, so a murderer can be reckless at times.

    That said, I also thought of something: even if Beato confirmed that Rosa had all master keys, it doesn’t mean she was keeping them all the time, so it is possible that she dropped a key to an arranged place, that the culprit picked it up, then placed the key so Rosa can recover it later.

  3. 3 Jubbz October 8, 2009 at 12:07 am

    Regarding Kumasawa and Nanjo:

    If no one is hiding in that room, then What if they weren’t killed in that room? Surely there would be a blood trail if the bodies were moved, especially for a wound like that.

    I think they were killed outside in the first place, not in the servant’s room.

  4. 4 klashikari October 8, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    That is a point I already covered.
    However, if you meant that they didn’t leave on their own before, that won’t do: if the culprit barged in without killing them, it would be abnormal for the remaining servants to let the culprit abducting Nanjo and Kumasawa.

    Therefore, I think that if they were killed outside, it must be the true culprit who ambushed them when they were setting a trap for Rosa.

    Anyway, the location where they were killed is irrelevant, since the most important things to know are “when” and how they died… or better: “did they REALLY die to begin with?”.


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